Alright...I could see this one coming from a mile off, so let's take it nice and easy and from the top...
Archibold wrote:Like many of us here I was very excited to try something new and jump in to world of COH.
I first read on this forums that some members of thorn are testing the game, and found it suitable. Quickly after others expressed wish to join. And few days after Superhero group was formed.
It was all , in a period of few days I was away from my gaming PC
Naturally as soon as I managed , i downloaded the game and jumped right in.
A simple matter of bad timing and nothing neither you or anyone can be blamed for...nothing wrong in that and no ill feelings towards you on that point.
I quickly created a character , with not much concept , just a wish to join my friends and test the new enviroment. I was soprised to see not only the guild was formed but it was also already populated with almost all members of thorn. Ok, quite soprise the things moved so fast.
Well, that's what most all of us did as well, so no trouble there either. But this is where the problem began, because by now most of us had been playing for about a week, and were pretty settled in...as was the guild as a concept. We did not post this on the forum, nobody thought of it because, well, didn't seem like anyone else was coming anyhow. This was wrong, and I appologize for that. We could have put up a small notice of where we were going and such.
Anyway. I am came to the base. With a character totaly unprepared for what i found.
A character that was in no way with a concept for long term or anything like that.
I said, ok lets have some fun roleplay, freeform.
So I am standing there , talking with Jetflare (Adjanah if i am not mistaken) When he starts being aggresive towards my character , and looking for conflict ( reason was verbal teasing from my character ) - Than I am getting OOC mesages from Jetflare - requesting a IC fight. I tell him to leave it, because it is not important character, more of a gag. Which lead to Jetflare acusing me of modding.
Let's not forget WHY Jetflare was being aggressive here. Let's take it from my point of view. I've played Jet for about a week at this point, I'm pretty settled in, and the character is more or less in place.
In comes mr. Perfect, into the "locked" and "hidden" base (think bat-cave), with no authority. I at this point have no way of knowing mr. Perfect is a joke character. Mr. Perfect waltzes up to Jetflare and starts ordering him around and calling him a peasant.
Now, if you'd been there from the start, you'd have known Jet does not take things like that lightly. Here we have a stranger, in Jet's home, ordering him around. Of course Jet gets pissed. And I did not REQUEST a fight. I tell you that this could quickly LEAD to a fight, and if you really want to go along with this. I have at this point STILL not been told I am dealing with a "joke" character, and simply continue playing my character.
And the thing I accused you for modding over was that you simply ignored and overruled my emotes, several times. That is what is called "god-modding". Jet attempted to grab this intruder by his collar, to which you replied by just pushing him away, offering no other counteraction than that, and leaving me somewhat thinking "what does this guy (that is you, the player) want from me here?". And yes, that made me pretty frustrated. You gave me nothing to play on, except for a very annoying intruder in my base.
I say again. This is a test character , made just for few minutes of fun roleplay.
But. It is also raising a question for me.
Is Jetflare the one that decided which character is suited for guild concept. And why
i was not informed , let alone asked for input on guild concept. I express this concern to Jetflare ...
But. Ok...i guess first come first served.
Uh, no you did not. Only after Jet finally managed to get this guy to leave the base did you tell me that he was a "joke character"....which left me going "what?!". Up until you left, I was convinced this was your actual character. This was the reason we went so far as to have Sack create a reason for him to even join. And no, you did not express concern as to the guild as a concept either. That was only on the forum some days later when you seem rather interested in having us all more or less start over.
But what happens now. I am creating a new character. And I am not automatically enrolled in the guild. But instead Wulfie is there to check my character concept , and how I roleplay him. And just after approving it - invites me to guild.
Very well
I understand that joining a RP Supergroup - as IC RP community should be approved IC.
But guild is also means of communication. Shared chat. And I am denied that.
Well, that is intended as a mere means of courtesy. We have at this point a fully envisioned guild, with a plotline behind it and people settled into their roles. So yes, we treat you as a "new member", meaning that we want to know if the character fits into what we've created before we let them in. That goes for anyone joining now, not just you. Just like in the Thorn.
[Edit] However, for the future, the lack of communication is removed by this lovely feature: We can make private chat channels. See here for our channel outside of the guild:
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=332So what does this all means?
Am I out of mercy? Or perhaps I am that problematic member , that you are not sure you wish to involve...
Why need to approve my actions? Is my few month long thorn membership enough?
Did I not prove to you that i am responsible enough? Dont you think that even if i make problematic character (again , the one i made was a test, a joke, when i didnt know what SG was about) dont you think i will leave SG , or kill off character if it is requested by guildmates ?
I dont know.
Maybe i am making a too big issue out of this. Maybe it is just a misunderstanding.
But it surely not very pleasant for me ...
In my opinion, it is a mix of several things that have led to all this, Arch.
First, the initial misunderstanding with mr. Perfect. WE should have informed you in a post on the forum, telling what kind of guild we had made. But on the other hand, YOU should have informed us about mr. Perfect being a joke character even before you came in. I had NO WAY of knowing until you finally told us. Remember, this is the internet. It can be very hard to pick up on jokes when all you have to communicate with is letters. I failed to see it. And I wish you had told me MUCH earlier, especially when you could see that I was getting frustrated. That should have been your cue to tell me "hey, this is just a joke character, don't worry about it...just looking around".
Second, if you wanted to get in so bad, you could just have told us. We're not morons here, you can talk to us. I for one did not consider inviting you again till we saw a character that fit the guild.
Third, yes I find you to be a potentially problematic member. You are hard to communicate with, and I usually get the feeling you're pretty bitter. This may be because of the language barrier, I do not know, but that is the feeling I get. If I am wrong, please tell me, because I honestly do not know.
In conclusion, let me tell you this: I do not call the shots in this guild. I am not in charge. I am, however, the most verbal of our officers, but none of my decisions are final without the consent of the other officers, or even the other members. I do not decide what kind of character you play, but I and the guild as a whole have a right to demand you play a character that fits in. For instance, the android you made seemed lovely, and I doubt anyone could see any problems in that joining.
And finally, I want an end to this whole thing. I did not join CoX to do more drama of this kind. The guild is not going to change it's concept, and it is up to you to decide whether you want in or not. If you want in, great, let's do that and get over this whole mess. If not, well, can't and won't stop you there either.